Re: [Salon] Ukraine-Russia



QUITE TRUE, and very sensible -- especially since Germany and France after Bucharest summit in April 2008 put the kibosh on the planning.

On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 11:18 AM Atwood, Brian via Salon <salon@listserve.com> wrote:
NATO cannot yield because its charter requires it to consider applicants for membership. NATO is unified around that principle. However, unanimity is also required to admit a new member. If both sides wanted to see progress in a negotiation,  this issue could easily be finessed. But it would be unwise to unilaterally contradict a principle on which all NATO nations agree. There is a nuance there, and clever negotiators can find their way around roadblocks without violating principle. That is preferable to war.

Brian Atwood

On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 4:43 PM SCOTT MCCONNELL via Salon <salon@listserve.com> wrote:
Excellent piece Doug.. I’m always puzzled by the way most experts, including our negotiators, speak of declining or deferring Ukraine’s NATO membership as obviously off the table. Sez who? I can see why Ukraine’s independence might be, but what is its  quest for NATO membership is treated as sacrosanct.  “On that, Nato cannot yield” Brian Atwood writes, without further elaboration, as if this is totally obvious. Nato expansion was not much debated in the 90’’s but it was somewhat and serious people (George Kennan, Daniel Moynihan) thought it ridiculous. Given the likely downside of pushing Ukraine’s right to join Nato (sanctions which harm everyone’s economy, possibly war, which could spiral out of control but even if not, pushing a renewed Sino-Soviet alliance) why can’t Ukraine’s NATO membership be discussed?  

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